Steve Payne
The inspectors for the OCOT are provincial offenses officers
Canadian Contractor"15 year carpenter" (who supports the Ontario College of Trades) to "Questo" (who opposes it): "You idiot!" Nice to see the gentlemanly discussion continuing.
Canadian Contractor’s Rob Koci asked Bob Onyschuk, the director of enforcement for the Ontario College of Trades, whether his compliance officers have the right to hit any contractor up for their papers, whether or not there has been a formal complaint against said contractor.
Mr. Onyschuk pointed out that OCOT’s compliancy officers are “provincial offences officers.”
“Questo,” one of our readers, has objected to the OCOT in general as a non-democratic organization – and he doesn’t like the OCOT’s inspectors having such powers.
“15 year Carpenter” objected to “Questo” as follows…
“You idiot!
The inspectors for the OCOT are provincial offenses officers. Not only can they act, they can search sites and even private homes. (Mr. Onyschuk) said it perfectly: All he needs is a complaint and to knock on the door and show who he is to the person who answers the door.
Provincial Offences Act
R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER P.33
“provincial offences officer” means,
(d) a by-law enforcement officer of any municipality or of any local board of any municipality, while in the discharge of his or her duties,
(e) an officer, employee or agent of any municipality or of any local board of any municipality whose responsibilities include the enforcement of a by-law, an Act or a regulation under an Act, while in the discharge of his or her duties, or
Conditions governing powers of entry
(2)1. The notice must be given to the occupier of the land in respect of which the power of entry will be exercised.
Power of entry re inspection
436. (1) A municipality has the power to pass by-laws providing that the municipality may enter on land at any reasonable time for the purpose of carrying out an inspection to determine whether or not the following are being complied with:
1. A by-law of the municipality passed under this Act.
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I have to ask what is the title of the officers because first we have heard that they are College of Trades enforcement officers, now they are compliancy officers, in the act they are investigators and now Provincial Offence Officers, so what are they or are they a different name on different days?
Now if they are Province Offence Officers which means that the College of Trades is a government board and not a not for profit private organization. If that is the case then the Ontario government is now in the business of selling memberships.
If the College of Trades is a private organization which means these officers what ever they are called do not work for the Province of Ontario, which means they are not Province Offence Officers, which means they do not hold the same powers as the Provincial body does.
So in my opinion it is time for the College of Trades and Mr, Bob Onyschuk to clarify exactly what type of organization they are.
Now the act above is the power of a bylaw officers which is for a municipality which once again is your municipality which is another government body.
Now please everyone take a look at this video and you will see that Mr. Bob Onyschuk in the video https://www.canadiancontractor.ca/uncategorized/what-the-head-of-enforcement-for-the-ontario-college-of-trades-says-about-his-powers-to-investigate-is-scary refers to a compliant 3 to 4 times, so with that said as per the Ontario College of Trade and Apprenticeship Act 2009 states under objects
To receive and investigate complaints against a member of the College. No compliant no investigation, so no just cause to be coming to your work place and if they do is in my opinion to harass you.
I am open to a video debate with Mr. Bob Onyschuk to take place at the Canadian Contractor Magazine office which at that time we have a copy of the Ontario College of Trades and Apprenticeship Act 2009 can be made present which at that time we can discuss in detail to get the clear answers of what the powers the OCOT holds and does not hold.
In the meantime I am asking Mr. Bob Onyschuk to provide in the act where it name the investigator of the OCOT as Provincial Offense Officers because I have read the act and does not state that anywhere in the act. Bob you have made the statement in the video so I am asking you to provide it to the readers of this magazine.
Mr. Bob Onyschuk please pick the time of when you would be open to hold this debate.
Doug Leitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJqjubphV4c
At first cense when the liberal government have done something right?
The scandals so far out weight their competence of governing.
And the OCOT inspectors apparently change titles as they go along.
I wonder why the 15 year carpenter never answer what I explain to him about the powers of inspectors. If he was for real and a none compulsory trades man, what was he so exited about the OCOT?. Trolling can be another trade.
OCOT is a private ORG, NFPO. So was the E test and end up with 19 million profit.
One more reason, all compulsory trades should have been asked for a vote on this matter. The same was with the Teachers college on may 1997. we all c trades have been assaulted discriminated on a price tag to do our jobs, or hold certification.
Only small part of the trades and the unions, also OCOT board of directors made the decisions so far for us. Self regulatory trades? How many never were informed on this fraud. How may were called to help in make decisions on this OCOT disparate?
All c trades data was transferred form the MTCU to the OCOT with out anyone consent, made automatic college membership, if so why they ask for signing on their papers?
Because they aren’t government agency, so they want consent, once done, their responsibility is over, pay and belong to the alcapone mob. Welcome to the self elusion regulatory body. You allowed your certification to be sold to them in exchange for nothing just payment. This is another fraud about to happen like the gas plant scandal I believe.
They never answer me that, automatic and signing their papers, they went silent.
The lower fees of all trades? Really, from $20 per year no tax to $120 and tax, if isn’t this robbery I don’t know what else to called it.
It looks like to consent to a self contract to this insane monster and avoid been suited. Like the internet, accepted, if not, no entry, no choice, where they got this mentality?
Coercing under the guise of costumers protection. What kind underground economy this guy is gonna protected? If they have all the list of certified compulsory trades people, they know or out to know who is certified.
Apparently the compulsory trades was the easy target, profiling, single out.
He said they will not make other trades compulsory, right, none of them can be trusted.
Apparently legislature is for direct powers of government, MOL inspectors, city by-laws, is for city local powers inspectors.
Can a security company act as police officers?
So Dough, we need more people in this fight.
Questo
I know the answer to the questions I have asked and I want Bob Onyschuk to back up his statement with the actually facts. If he wants to make statement then you should be providing the written proof because someone can make statement but in my opinion could be a false statement! Now I am not making any accusations but he must be prepared to be able to back up his statement.
The Ontario College of Trades and Apprenticeship Act 2009 was made into law and the OCOT must follow it. They are not above the law and must abide by it like we do. He may think or make claim that they have more powers than they do!
I know what they are when it comes to what organization they are and what they are not.
Bob time to back up your comments with fact and let us sit down to discuss or debate them!
http://www.southwesternontario.ca/news/ontario-college-of-trades-ceo-defends-regulatory-body/
Hi dough, here is something interesting. I think he should recommend some dented tuna cans for his board of directors and his inspectors the same way he did when he was at Mike Harris Government.
I couldn’t forget Mr.Tsubounci, I have to work three days a week only because the business were weaken with your government, and you and your entourage were having a good time across some Toronto bars. Now who you are trying to fool this time.
He was on the opposition, but now seems oaky to serve the Liberals insane ideas, and getting paid around 180k a year. Great card isn’t? The Liberals apparently are using all the cards they can.
Not to bad to ask for opinions. Well mine is for free, Mr. Tsubounci. you have no morals, you are a money lover, and soon will destroy you, I have one Trade career,, my choice not yours, nor I seat in many boards of directors at the same time.
No reason for me to pay you and all your bodies just to came a see if I have the OCOT useless piece of paper. I paid for all my school and all my certifications, with my hard money and sweet, got it Mr. Tsubonci.. Like me so may others enter the senior level, and should pay you or your NFPO nothing.
Why should something be imposed on me and others certified trades, when we all know, the bill 183 legislature 2009 apprenticeship act for this college was rushed trough legislation using the liberal majority, without apparent proper and research in reasonable time frame, for not creating any prejudice to the people of Ontario in special the compulsory trades.
For those would believe on dreams keep dreaming, and pay to them, I decide not to. Please read the Canadian Charter Of Rights and Freedoms. Apparently provincial laws have to abbey into the Basic laws on this Country, can’t trap on them.
Yeah, media hype up 4 millions wasted on our tax dollars, plus more couple million of dollars loans to the OCOT to screw the compulsory trades people.
where is the cense in all this?
A special target, profiling compulsory trades for monetary gains, for the benefit of special interests, not for the common benefit, and betterment of the whole.
An imposing direct target payment, on their only view choice, and called self regulatory body, cense when they were authorised from the trades people to do so. Who needs legislature government when a NFPO can do and act apparently as both POO’s and college inspectors. But unable to teach anything whatsoever related to the trades.
Knock knock, ,,, who is there, ,, its me, who, “I am with the college of trades”, and I would like to see who his working on your house mom,,, you are with who? so you don’t work for them then, hum,,,, I am a POO’s too. I don’t get it you better leave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5zJNvOj3Q
That’s right Mr. Tsubonchi. there are already gold seal certifications, also red seal and silver seals too. No one in his/her good mind certified compulsory trades people wants your elusion.
Can one pay his/her college membership fee with dented tuna cans?
well the way things are going, may well be the solution.
Who are these fly by night guys? show us the evidence in numbers, where are they coming from?, Where did your OCOT inspectors found them? For whom they were working for? How much economic damage if any they were causing to this province?,
And in special to the compulsory trades people. Just show it publicly, lets see it.
The fly by night elusion, you may were let be confused with it, can be technical personnel, under machine sales, providing assistance to factories. I encounter a lot of these people and they are part of the fed programs authorised to fix machines for their companies to whom were sold or leased.
So if there isn’t evidence, apparently is an elusion, a trap to justify the OCOT.
Mr. Tsunbonchi,
Why can’t you show us all the financial status of your beloved OCOT?
Bring with you all the documentations as you go meet the so called stakeholders.
I believe they love to see it. Make your self transparent, after all does the OCOT have anything to hide? NO.
How much you are getting paid? Each board of directors, each inspector, spending in all items including building rent or leased, vehicles.
Posted, we trades people want to see it, and justified it.
We can see public officials wages, is public. After all your clams are to protect the costumers, which ones are your OCOT protecting?
I just read a blog this idea of the college of hot air came from Saskatchewan Province. Based on Saskatchewan apprenticeship act. Lets see, who brought it here, oaky,,, should it tell you?
This was preach on a lies then, the unique and first kind of a college of trades in Ontario, how,,, not so unique after all, copy cats yap.
Have you guys notice the three sss both sides of his shoulders, ”self servitude slavery”, I am kidding, LOL.
A stakeholder is an individual who has interest in company’s performance hence is an employee whereas a shareholder is an individual who has financial shares in the company. On basis of Corporate Social Reciprocation, a company bases its decision taking into account the interest of stakeholders rather than shareholders since their objectivity is based on interest within the company. It may occur that an individual who is a stakeholder is a shareholder of the same company as well.
where the OCOT membership fits into it? Hey compulsory trades people, where is your shares? You have a stake alright, to pay plus tax, and told what to do also don’t forget to show your wonderful paper from the OCOT when asked.
Oaky….
http://www.saskapprenticeship.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/SATCC-Annual-Report-12-13_www_FINAL.pdf
Hey Rob Koci, give a look at this site, very important, also for those what clear facts. I think this speaks for it self.
http://www.saskapprenticeship.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Consent-To-Release-Personal-Information-non-web-Nov-2010.pdf
Yeah, the Canadian privacy laws seems to apply in here, but were forgotten in Ontario.
I can’t f,,, believe it. all these OCOT guys should be ask to voluntary closed their doors. Yeah in deed all compulsory trades people info were made public without their consent and knowledge.
Is this irritated you yet?
The previous MTCU minister should be inquired for this matter, and the present one should be ask to resign, and the premier should address this matter publicly, this is a serious mater. This is MBO. Where are we? in la la land!